One week before our interview, Steven Pacheco was on a bus ride to Boston when the driver called the police on a young black passenger for being on his phone.  While recording the event, Steven realized he was observing the policing of black and brown bodies in a new way.  We talk about race, trauma, and how leadership opportunities are changing this self-proclaimed Renaissance man and his experience as a black man in America.

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• Connect with Steven
  • Twitter: @MrStevenPacheco
  • Instagram: @flowlikeits89